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TOP STORIESThe new, new prop traders20 October 2009By Sarah Butcher COMMENTSIt just goes to show you that senior bankers still don't understand the workings of their own front office activities. Read all comments »As we mentioned last week, prop traders appear to be rising up the desirability ranks, despite the fact that UBS, Deutsche, Calyon and JP Morgan have either killed off or partially dismembered their prop trading desks. However, the new prop traders may well be different to the old ones.
In his interview with the Financial Times this week, Barclays chairman Marcus Agius said the bank’s still doing prop trading, but it’s not doing prop trading the way it did before.
According to the FT (which we assume got its information from Agius), Barclays no longer ‘operates dedicated proprietary trading teams, but its traders frequently take positions on the bank’s behalf alongside the “flow business” they are doing on behalf of clients.’
This being the case, some of the skill seems to have gone out of the prop traders’ art. And with traders now dependent on flows, surely some of the rewards have gone too.
Simon Maughan, a banking analyst at brokerage firm MF Global, says it’s all prop trading to him, but that the new version of prop trading is definitely less demanding than the old one: “All you need to do is sit on the desk and watch the flows – it’s just a question of copying what your more intelligent clients are doing.”
With investment decisions largely dictated by client flows, Ralph Silva, a research director at the Tower Group, says the new prop trading is mostly about best execution. Nevertheless, he says many of the old school prop traders are moving into it for want of anything better to do.
“I had a friend who was managing €3.3bn a day for a European bank,” says Silva. “Now that bank’s got no money and he would be managing a fraction of that.” He adds that this particular person hasn’t reinvented himself as a new-style prop trader, but is currently sitting on a beach in Australia.
COMMENTSDoh, Consultancy, Tue 20 Oct 09prop trading....sound more like front running and insider trading to me...this time it will be easier for the SEC they can just use the trading desk tapes ala raj :-) Add your comment »John, Hedge Funds, Tue 20 Oct 09Hmmmm!!
John, Hedge Funds, Tue 20 Oct 096/ I don't see much difference as far as global balance sheet risk is concerned for banks who externalised their prop groups to various newly created Hedge Fund entities .....and funding those ! Add your comment »CK, HR & Recruitment, Wed 21 Oct 09I think the term 'prop trader' has been misused over the years and certainly does not refer to any link with flows, other than on a technical basis.
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