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TOP STORIESAlternative jobs for traders (and their pay)9 June 2009By Sarah Butcher COMMENTSCome on, you can't go from a trader earning 6/7 figures to £40-45k (ie a 1st year graduate). Be realistic, who's going to do that? Anyone with any self-worth would try something audacious like entreprise, gambling, poker which could fail or win rather than accept £45k. Read all comments »Last week we looked at possible alternative careers for investment bankers who want to get out of financial services. This week, we’re providing a similar service for traders.
Former traders’ alternative career options are a lot more disparate than those for investment bankers, but they include –
1.) Recruitment
This may not be feasible in the current climate, but in better times ex-traders have reinvented themselves as financial services recruiters/headhunters. Examples include: Shaun Springer, chief executive of Napier Scott, or Adrian Ezra, founder and CEO of Execuzen. James Campion, a former trader turned recruiter at Michael Page, says trading and recruitment have things in common: “Being able to think on your feet [as a recruiter] is a huge plus. You’re often instructed on a temp or interim post and have to turn it around very quickly. It requires a similar pace of thinking.”
Simon Hughes, a recruiter of recruiters at Highview Search and Selection, says the recruitment industry could benefit from an injection of ex-traders: “One of the criticisms you see leveled at recruiters is a lack of technical knowledge.” However, Hughes says traders will be fortunate to get a job in recruitment unless hiring picks up again. Pay: Most former traders will need to go into recruiting/headhunting at associate level. This means a base salary of £40-50k, plus a negligible bonus.
2). Customer services in IT companies
IT companies offering trading systems used by banks can accommodate ex-traders as customer services professionals.
Simon Masters, head of recruitment for electronic trading vendor Trayport, confirms that this is so. However, he says junior traders are most likely to make the move because senior traders balk at the disparity in earnings.
Pay: Masters says customer services professionals in IT vendor companies can expect around £45k, although this is always dependent upon ‘what you can bring to the table.”
3). Professional poker
Traders have always an innate fondness for poker, and now that poker has moved online, it’s become more accessible. Style.com relates how one Wall Street banker turned to poker after losing his job, and then carried on playing poker once he'd found another one.
Pay: Steve Weinstein, a former Wall Street trader is said to have made $827k out of poker. He is the exception rather than the rule.
4). Other Former traders have also been known to become tour guides (pay £25 a tour), owners of shops selling comics and best selling authors. We also suspect several are cab drivers.
COMMENTSEdward, Operations, Tue 09 Jun 09Useless article, funny reactions. But one point made is valid: What about trading privately? Indeed all traders believe they know what's going to happen next. A few of them believe they are the superior race.
Ah-so, Private Banking / Wealth Management, Tue 09 Jun 09Outside of the City, there are not that many ways to make over £100,000 p/a, unless you have your own business. The easy money in property speculation dried up several years ago and there are fewer ways to make a leveraged profit.
neilcharlton, Tue 09 Jun 09You just need to meet some of the ex liffe floor guys , they were all on 50k + back in the 90's.
G, Trading, Tue 09 Jun 09What aobut teaching? I used to work for a well-known top-tier investment firm and they sent me to a course on finance basics.
Thierry, FX & Money Markets, Tue 09 Jun 09I do think that trading privately is the solution.Beeing in the job for over 20 years... I have not see alot of traders making money when they did not have the flow from clients..... Add your comment »peter, Information Technology, Tue 09 Jun 09A trader who truly knows how to trade can never be out of a job. Add your comment »Merchant Banker, Private Equity / Venture Capital, Tue 09 Jun 09Are cabbies the new Goldman Sachs? Add your comment »nev, Private Banking / Wealth Management, Tue 09 Jun 09you can always go to barcalona and sell Nasdaq, from a little office and call your self Dave! Add your comment »chjames, Tue 09 Jun 09Given the wide range of skills it takes to be a trader I'd imagine the ideal job would be dodging traffic while picking up nickels from the roadway. Quick and opportunistic in the face of long odds of year end net positive equity. Add your comment »james, Trading, Wed 10 Jun 09Peter's comment that A trader who truly knows how to trade can never be out of a job, is idiotic. He obviously has never worked on Wall Street. He must think everyone is like Soros. Yeah, if your a PM or Prop trader but must traders are execution or sales traders. Your a bonehead Peter! Add your comment » |
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