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Alternative jobs for traders (and their pay)


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Come on, you can't go from a trader earning 6/7 figures to £40-45k (ie a 1st year graduate). Be realistic, who's going to do that? Anyone with any self-worth would try something audacious like entreprise, gambling, poker which could fail or win rather than accept £45k.  Read all comments »

Last week we looked at possible alternative careers for investment bankers who want to get out of financial services. This week, we’re providing a similar service for traders.

Former traders’ alternative career options are a lot more disparate than those for investment bankers, but they include –

1.) Recruitment

This may not be feasible in the current climate, but in better times ex-traders have reinvented themselves as financial services recruiters/headhunters. Examples include: Shaun Springer, chief executive of Napier Scott, or Adrian Ezra, founder and CEO of Execuzen.

James Campion, a former trader turned recruiter at Michael Page, says trading and recruitment have things in common: “Being able to think on your feet [as a recruiter] is a huge plus. You’re often instructed on a temp or interim post and have to turn it around very quickly. It requires a similar pace of thinking.”

Simon Hughes, a recruiter of recruiters at Highview Search and Selection, says the recruitment industry could benefit from an injection of ex-traders: “One of the criticisms you see leveled at recruiters is a lack of technical knowledge.” However, Hughes says traders will be fortunate to get a job in recruitment unless hiring picks up again.

Pay: Most former traders will need to go into recruiting/headhunting at associate level. This means a base salary of £40-50k, plus a negligible bonus.

2). Customer services in IT companies

IT companies offering trading systems used by banks can accommodate ex-traders as customer services professionals.

Simon Masters, head of recruitment for electronic trading vendor Trayport, confirms that this is so. However, he says junior traders are most likely to make the move because senior traders balk at the disparity in earnings.

Pay: Masters says customer services professionals in IT vendor companies can expect around £45k, although this is always dependent upon ‘what you can bring to the table.”

3). Professional poker

Traders have always an innate fondness for poker, and now that poker has moved online, it’s become more accessible. Style.com relates how one Wall Street banker turned to poker after losing his job, and then carried on playing poker once he'd found another one.

Pay: Steve Weinstein, a former Wall Street trader is said to have made $827k out of poker. He is the exception rather than the rule.

4). Other

Former traders have also been known to become tour guides (pay £25 a tour), owners of shops selling comics and best selling authors. We also suspect several are cab drivers.

COMMENTS

Edward, Operations,  Tue 09 Jun 09

Useless article, funny reactions.  But one point made is valid: What about trading privately? Indeed all traders believe they know what's going to happen next. A few of them believe they are the superior race.
Time to show what you can do.

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Ah-so, Private Banking / Wealth Management,  Tue 09 Jun 09

Outside of the City, there are not that many ways to make over £100,000 p/a, unless you have your own business. The easy money in property speculation dried up several years ago and there are fewer ways to make a leveraged profit.

A large chunk of those losing their jobs in the '08/'09 clear out will not work again in the City as it will become a much smaller industry for years to come.

£50k is actually a decent wage outside of the City, often for roles that are complex than better paid ones in the City (I know - I used to do one). People unable to get back in, need to adjust their expectations, and not think that they can gamble for a living.

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neilcharlton,  Tue 09 Jun 09

You just need to meet some of the ex liffe floor guys  , they were all on 50k + back in the 90's.
when the floor closed some of them went on to make millions like David Kyte and some became cabbies !

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G, Trading,  Tue 09 Jun 09

What aobut teaching? I used to work for a well-known top-tier investment firm and they sent me to a course on finance basics.
Those sort of courses are very specialised and thus will be in great demand (the same people did all our graduate training)
Also worth mentioning that teachers these days get paid around the 30-40k mark...almost MO money...but with a decent job, lots of holidays and almost 0 pressuer

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Thierry, FX & Money Markets,  Tue 09 Jun 09

I do think that trading privately is the solution.Beeing in the job for over 20 years... I have not see alot of traders making money when they did not have the flow from clients.....

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peter, Information Technology,  Tue 09 Jun 09

A trader who truly knows how to trade can never be out of a job.

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Merchant Banker, Private Equity / Venture Capital,  Tue 09 Jun 09

Are cabbies the new Goldman Sachs?

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nev, Private Banking / Wealth Management,  Tue 09 Jun 09

you can always go to barcalona and sell Nasdaq, from a little office and call your self Dave!

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chjames,  Tue 09 Jun 09

Given the wide range of skills it takes to be a trader I'd imagine the ideal job would be dodging traffic while picking up nickels from the roadway. Quick and opportunistic in the face of long odds of year end net positive equity.

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james, Trading,  Wed 10 Jun 09

Peter's comment that A trader who truly knows how to trade can never be out of a job, is idiotic.  He obviously has never worked on Wall Street.  He must think everyone is like Soros. Yeah, if your a PM or Prop trader but must traders are execution or sales traders.  Your a bonehead Peter!

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