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TOP STORIESAlternative jobs for traders (and their pay)9 June 2009By Sarah Butcher COMMENTSCome on, you can't go from a trader earning 6/7 figures to £40-45k (ie a 1st year graduate). Be realistic, who's going to do that? Anyone with any self-worth would try something audacious like entreprise, gambling, poker which could fail or win rather than accept £45k. Read all comments »Last week we looked at possible alternative careers for investment bankers who want to get out of financial services. This week, we’re providing a similar service for traders.
Former traders’ alternative career options are a lot more disparate than those for investment bankers, but they include –
1.) Recruitment
This may not be feasible in the current climate, but in better times ex-traders have reinvented themselves as financial services recruiters/headhunters. Examples include: Shaun Springer, chief executive of Napier Scott, or Adrian Ezra, founder and CEO of Execuzen. James Campion, a former trader turned recruiter at Michael Page, says trading and recruitment have things in common: “Being able to think on your feet [as a recruiter] is a huge plus. You’re often instructed on a temp or interim post and have to turn it around very quickly. It requires a similar pace of thinking.”
Simon Hughes, a recruiter of recruiters at Highview Search and Selection, says the recruitment industry could benefit from an injection of ex-traders: “One of the criticisms you see leveled at recruiters is a lack of technical knowledge.” However, Hughes says traders will be fortunate to get a job in recruitment unless hiring picks up again. Pay: Most former traders will need to go into recruiting/headhunting at associate level. This means a base salary of £40-50k, plus a negligible bonus.
2). Customer services in IT companies
IT companies offering trading systems used by banks can accommodate ex-traders as customer services professionals.
Simon Masters, head of recruitment for electronic trading vendor Trayport, confirms that this is so. However, he says junior traders are most likely to make the move because senior traders balk at the disparity in earnings.
Pay: Masters says customer services professionals in IT vendor companies can expect around £45k, although this is always dependent upon ‘what you can bring to the table.”
3). Professional poker
Traders have always an innate fondness for poker, and now that poker has moved online, it’s become more accessible. Style.com relates how one Wall Street banker turned to poker after losing his job, and then carried on playing poker once he'd found another one.
Pay: Steve Weinstein, a former Wall Street trader is said to have made $827k out of poker. He is the exception rather than the rule.
4). Other Former traders have also been known to become tour guides (pay £25 a tour), owners of shops selling comics and best selling authors. We also suspect several are cab drivers.
COMMENTSRedundant and not doing a £45k job, Global Custody, Tue 09 Jun 09Come on, you can't go from a trader earning 6/7 figures to £40-45k (ie a 1st year graduate). Be realistic, who's going to do that? Anyone with any self-worth would try something audacious like entreprise, gambling, poker which could fail or win rather than accept £45k. Add your comment »John, Trading, Tue 09 Jun 09What about trading privately? Or did they, like some of the 'Masters of the Universe' we've read about just jump on a rising market over the last ten years and 'made' a killing?
salesdude, Capital Markets, Tue 09 Jun 09Redundant and not doing a 45k job...hope you amassed plenty of savings you are going to need them. based on much personal knowledge ,i would suggest that most traders are hot when behind 4 screens and following the trend but rather poorer in the life skils department ( do watch trading floors when the closing bells go..it can take hours to clear the floor as people try to negotiate the doors ,especially if there is no pull or push label Add your comment »Realist, Equities, Tue 09 Jun 09Assuming you have lost your job as a trader because you arent good enough I dont fancy the chances of taking up professional poker and being any good! Add your comment »Pointless, FX & Money Markets, Tue 09 Jun 09What a pointless article! Not many of us are going to lower ourselves to the above! Add your comment »Johnny Moondog, Trading, Tue 09 Jun 09To "Redundant and not doing a 45K job": firm "traders" have zero enterprise. That's why they work for corporations, where there's no personal accountability for losses. They won't do anything entreprenurial because there's a big catch: you don't get 300,000 pound bonuses when your enterprise fails! You get creditors calling your home looking for their money.
RJ1965, Tue 09 Jun 09I did not know all traders are paid a six figure 300000 pound basic what about the ones who earn 60 to 80 at small investment firms. Add your comment »Jean, Hedge Funds, Tue 09 Jun 09Useless article. Like for any other specialty, once you're out, you're out in the cold. Your experience is worthless out of the markets, and all other "market-related" jobs (risk, MO, BO) are already overstaffed. Besides, you never wanted those boring jobs anyway! So why not act as a grown-up and face reality: no recruitment agency has a @# clue of what to do with you (they never knew what to do with themselves in the first place), so go out there and do ANYTHING, no matter what, to make money for yourself. Trading was just an accessory means to an inescapable end. Add your comment »cf87, Equities, Tue 09 Jun 09you are talking about traders and money - but do you really want to be a trader? from a human being point of view i mean...
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